Queer(ing) Sustainability


– [Person] And then we’re
go ahead and go back into… Okay, there you go. Make that big. (muttering) Oh, okay. (muttering) – So we’re live? (background talking) – [Other Person] Yep, there it is. – [Other Person 2] There we go. – Hello. – Alright. Hi everyone, welcome to QueerX. This is a program of the
Gender and Sexuality Center, to deliver critically
important conversations pertaining to the LBGTQA+ community. Today we have James,
who’s from the office, and will be delivering the conversation on queering sustainability. We do have notecards and
pens up in the front, so if you have any questions
that you want to deliver after James is done with the presentation, feel free to grab anything you need and then submit them after, if he’s done with the presentation. Alright, thank you. – Yay. (laughing) Well, thank you Samia. Like, Samia said, my name’s James. I’m gonna be giving my talk today on queering sustainability. But first, I wanna go
ahead and introduce myself. So, I use he/him/his pronouns. I am a fourth year student here, studying forest and
natural resource management with an emphasis in parks
and protected areas. I’m also getting a minor
in sustainability studies, surprise surprise. And, I also work at the
Gender and Sexuality Center for queer and trans life as the outreach and leadership coordinator. Fun facts about me, I have a rabbit. I will be talking about her
briefly during the presentation. She’s my soulmate. It’s fine. And, I also work Collin Park Zoo in the conservatory here in St Paul, and the sloth that you see on this slide, I’ve actually fed the sloth before. So, I know a lot of things
about animals and trees, so if we’re getting to the
end of the presentation and you don’t have questions
about my presentation, you can ask me about animals or trees. So, what I’m gonna be going over today. I wanna kind of give a brief overview of sustainability as I wanna frame it, in this conversation. And, just so that people have a good idea going into the conversation
where I’m coming from. And I intentionally use
the word conversation as a way to kind of frame this talk because I don’t wanna
claim to be an expert. As an undergrad student,
I think that there’s still a lot of learning that I have to do, and I also wanted, this
was more of an idea of something that, Mary’s
two things that I’m really passionate about,
so environmentalism and sustainability, and the work that I do in social movements, activism, and my work at the Gender
and Sexuality Center. I wanna get into queering sustainability, so how we’re talking about sustainability in an academic sense,
and thinking critically about sustainability. And then, queer sustainability, so as queer and trans people, hello, thinking about how we
can be more sustainable with ourselves and our bodies. And then, at the end I
hope that we can have some good discussion, or
open it up for questions, and that includes anyone online as well. So, to start off, I wanted
to open it up to you all, so I can get a better
understanding moving forward of what you think sustainability is. And this could be keywords,
it could be phrases, it could be a definition if you have it. But this way I can move forward as a better informed presenter. Any thoughts? What sustainability is? I can wait too. Yeah! (audience response) That’s excellent. Anyone else? So, we had someone say, meeting the needs of the future without compromising, meeting the needs of the present without compromising
the needs of the future. Anything else? – [Audience Member] It’s
like, you can’t have infinite growth on our planet. – Okay, infinite growth. – [Audience Member] Means staying within the laws of thermodynamics. – Okay. Yeah. Not having infinite
growth on a finite planet. – [Audience Member] Yeah, like there’s, it’s like not assuming there is an infinite amount of resources. – Mhmm, yeah, that’s great, not assuming there’s an
infinite amount of resources. And I am repeating things back
as a way to know that one, I heard you, and two, that
folks online can hear as well, just so you guys know. Perfect. Well, that first one is
actually the definition that I’m going off of, so
thank you for saying that. It lightens my load a little bit. But, yeah, this is, I
am assuming you probably also study sustainability. It’s a pretty well-known definition across the scientific community
and how we think about sustainability in an academic sense. So, sustainable
development meets the needs of the present without
compromising the ability of future generations to meet their needs. And if anyone has questions
about what I’m talking about to begin with here, please let me know, because this isn’t always
something that people understand, so if there’s something
you’re not getting, let me know as well. So, there’s also three
parts to sustainability and how we think about it. Sometimes it’s referred
to as the three pillars, there’s a lot of different
ways in which you, or I guess the community
thinks about sustainability. And I have a couple of examples here. So there’s the three pillar model. And the three parts are
the social, environmental, and economic. And, there’s also like
an overlapping model, where you think about,
okay so when we have an overlap of all three of these things, that’s when we have
sustainable development and sustainable global community. There’s also a nested approach, so thinking about, you can’t
have the next successive one without meeting the needs
of the one within it. And there isn’t a right
way, to my knowledge, of thinking about sustainability
within these three parts, it’s just more, what makes
the most sense for you in terms of how you’re thinking about it. And also how you’re working
within sustainability work. I also wanted to briefly talk about more scientific aspects of sustainability, and people might think this
is kind of interesting. So, there was a study done
by the Stockholm Resilience, where they talked about
planetary boundaries, and there’s nine planetary boundaries that are listed on the screen. And, the, when they did the study, and this is an ongoing thing, they set out limits for each boundary. And some of them we
haven’t quite figured out what limits there are, or what
boundaries there should be. But, as you can see on here, there are bars, running
along each boundary. And that indicates where
we’re at on a global level in terms of meeting that, or surpassing a zone of uncertainty. And, there are several categories that we surpassed, and we’re
beyond the zone of uncertainty, which basically means we don’t really know what’s gonna happen, essentially. It’s not a good thing. And, there’s a potential
for us to not be able to reverse any of that. And so, a couple of things are, within like biogeochemical flows, we’re surpassed in both
phosphorus and nitrogen, and then our genetic diversity, so letting species go
extinct, we’ve surpassed that, and there are a few other zones that we’re also getting within. Increasing risk, and
you can look more online at this image if this is
something that interests you. And then finally, in
terms of talking about, just basic sustainability, I
wanted to bring up this image. And, this was also done by the UN. They came up with sustainable
development goals. And I really like this image, one, because it’s just very
aesthetically pleasing, but also it’s very simplistic, so that if you are not
someone who’s necessarily within sustainable studies
or interested in this, it’s very simple and easy to understand. And they came up with
17 I think originally, when it was developed in the 90’s, it wasn’t 17 cos they’ve
added some recently. But essentially all of these goals, they are saying okay, if
we can meet all of these, this is going to be helping reach a more sustainable community. And… All, one moment, I got a knot here. Got distracted, it’s totally fine. But, with these 17 goals, there’s a timeline for most of them, within about 15 years. So some of them, it’s the
timeline’s gonna be sooner, it’s gonna be only a year or two, and some of them, it is gonna take, they are saying, 15 years. And if you go on, so I
have links on all of this, all of these slides with the images, as a way for you, if you wanna check out this presentation, we
did post the link online. Or you can come up and ask
me for it later as well. But these, you can click on
each one of these images, and it’ll tell you more
in-depth about what it will take and what they’re saying that timeline is, and what the goal entails. So now, I wanna get into
queering sustainability. And like I stated previously, thinking about sustainability as a, thinking about sustainability
in an academic sense. So, what I was just talking about and thinking about queering that in ways. And, I’m coming at this from
the studies that I’ve done, but what I noticed in
the things that I’ve read and the things that I’ve engaged in on the university campus, is
that within sustainability there needs to be more inclusive and intersectional development, so that includes not just focusing on, within those three parts, the academic, not academic,
the economic and environmental, but a higher focus on our
social or societal aspects. Because, people are, that’s who’s gonna be affected ultimately most,
by sustainable development. And, asking these critical
questions I think is, would be very important for
folks who do research in and engage with community. So who are you including in conversations, and who’s benefiting most
from sustainable research and development. And these are just my ideas. Folks in the room might
have other ideas as well, and we can definitely
engage in more conversations once I’m done. But I have, expansion,
I have a few articles that I pulled offline
from a website called Everyday Feminism, that I
thought were really important and how I would framing
some of my thoughts. But, thinking more about
that social aspect. So, this one in particular
was environmental messages that really hurt sustainability currently that we see every day. So the first one being,
save the polar bears, save the profits. And, this one is, pretty hurtful in that when we’re thinking about
saving endangered species, yes it can be important,
but there’s a lot of moral implications in that and there
can be debates about that, but, when we hear these messages, completely dismissing
marginalized communities, and their needs over the
needs of cute animals. So oftentimes we see, polar
bears being the highlight of endangered species, and also pandas. Like the World Wildlife Fund, their logo I’m pretty sure is a panda. So, thinking critically about that. The future is bleak, the present is fine. I think that that one is pretty prevalent within society, and we hear that a lot. And this just perpetuates
colonialism a lot, as well as making privileged populations feel like they only need
to take responsibility for what affects their communities. And, yes, the future can be seen as bleak or how we’re treating the planet currently doesn’t necessarily
mean that we’re gonna be doing great in the future, but the present, we’re not
doing super great right now. We don’t have money for
everything that’s needed. We hear this often from the government, and how they fund certain organizations, especially when we’re looking
at environmental organizations and the National Park
Service, EPA, whatnot. When we know that there is a lot of money that the government has, but
where they’re allocating that is what’s the most problematic
about this statement. And I have a quote here, in my notes, that I really liked, is, “It’s not to say that we
don’t have time for justice. “We have time for intimidation.” So this idea of being reactive
rather than proactive, is what really is the most harmful when we’re thinking about
sustainability also. So green development is good development. A big way to be critical of this statement is to ask who is this green for? So, when we think about
the biggest example and the best example that
I like to think about in the terms of this
phrase is thinking about, green development, so it’s very basic. Like let’s say I want to
build a park in Minneapolis. So that’s, in line with my degree. And I wanna build it in a place that doesn’t have a lot of parks, and I wanna make a really great park because I’ve read a lot about, studies, and about parks and green space within urban areas. And there’s a lot of study out there that says green space in urban areas can reduce stress for folks, it can increase good
health in populations, and it’s just a really good way to bring local communities together. So I’m like, that’s great,
I really like this research, I think that it’s very
well-proven across a lot of areas, so I’m gonna build a park in Minneapolis, I’m gonna build it in an area that doesn’t have nice facilities. So I go in, and I’m
like, north Minneapolis, let’s build a park there. And, so I go ahead and
I have this great plan, I get it approved, I go and build a park. But then, that good intention turns out to be not so great because everybody wants to be by this really great park. And then we’re seeing
gentrification happen, so being critical about who
this green development is for, and who you’re including in
conversations like I said before is really important. And then, we all need to do our part. Which, again doesn’t take into account for who’s being most affected
and who should be held most accountable. So, we’re kind of tying back
into that second phrase of, not holding privileged
communities accountable for like, the kinds of institutions that they’re perpetuating. And then I wanted to get into more individual sustainability, so I was thinking about sustainability in, a more broad sense. Previously and how we
were kind of framing it at the very beginning. But this is something that
you all can take with you, moving forward, especially
if you don’t already practice individual sustainability. Acknowledge your privilege, is a great way to practice sustainability without entitlement. Because when we think about,
especially environmentalism, there is a lot of privilege to be able to engage in environmentalism, and especially in how capitalism ties in with environmentalism,
because there’s a lot of, it’s very expensive. If you’re shopping locally at a co-op, co-ops can be kind of spendy at times. Owning cars, so even sustainable cars can be expensive, so being able to just acknowledge that there’s
privilege in being able to engage in environmentalism
and sustainability is a great way to take that first step, step in practicing
individual sustainability without entitlement. Start where you are. So, if you’re coming
into this conversation, you’re like, I recycle, that’s about it, then that’s totally fine. Starting where you’re
at is very important. And don’t assume that you
know more than someone else. And a great way to even start, if you’re like, I just
recycle and that’s all I’ve ever known about sustainability, having conversations with
neighbors is a great way to start, so start by
saying hi to someone, someone you haven’t met in your community. Talking about ways in which
you can make your local space more sustainable, maybe starting a garden, or being like hey, how about we rideshare to the grocery store? Or I’m going to the farmer’s market, would you like to come with? Or can I get you something. Spend less. So, there’s a lot of research out there that says people who spend less tend to make greater ecological decisions. And I think, this in part ties into how we travel. So, to travel, it costs a lot of money, and it’s also horrible
for the environment, especially if you’re
taking a plane to travel. Which is funny because
ecotourism is a thing. And that’s very ironic. So just being critical
about how you’re spending and engaging within the
society and capitalism is very important in how to make your individual sustainability better. Be intentional in everyday ways. This again, ties into
how we consume, I think, greater than anything else. So watching out for green market gimmicks. A lot of big corporations
will put out products and they’ll slap some
sort of green on there, or they’ll slap an earth,
or a recycle symbol, and you’ll think that
you’re buying a product that is good for the
environment when in actuality that company’s not doing
anything good for the environment and they’re probably doing
more harm than you think. So just being very
intentional about researching products before you buy them, or going into your local co-op
and seeing what they have, and then going and buying that elsewhere, or thinking about, is there
another product out there similar to that that’s a little cheaper that I can afford if you
can’t afford stuff like that. And then, join forces with other groups. This kind of ties into
engaging in conversation with folks, but if you have an idea, especially locally, so you wanna start, a local garden in your community, talking to local groups about efforts that you can engage in. Or if there’s something
that you haven’t heard of, that’s already out there,
just having conversations with folks can be a
really great way to start. And then I wanna get into
queer sustainability. Which doesn’t really have necessarily to do with sustainability
at an academic sense, but more along the lines
of how I think about it, and how I’m framing my life currently. So being more intentional about, as queer and trans people, how we’re taking care of ourselves. So that aspect of self care but also how we’re able to continue doing the work, especially with the way our
political climate is going. Take care of yourself, practice self care. I think that this is a really big thing that’s pushed in the
queer and trans community, and within the LBGTQ community in general, but not necessarily outside
of those communities. But it’s really important and something that I sometimes struggle with. I think that every single thing that I’m gonna talk
about, I will probably say that I struggle with, and
I’m sure that everyone else in the room or online can relate as well. But, taking care of yourself
and practicing self care can also look like a
lot of different things for a lot of different people, so it doesn’t have to mean, I’m gonna go home and take a bubble bath. Like that’s not self care for everyone, cos maybe that’s stressful for some folks. For me, I will, I have
a lot of different ways in which I practice self care. I will hang out with my pet rabbit. Like I said before, she
really likes to be pet, so I will sit and I’ll
pet her for 15 minutes. Or, I’ll watch Netflix. Sometimes I watch a new TV show, so I can be fully immersed in that, or I’ll watch something
that I’ve already watched and really enjoy, so I know that I’ll have good feelings
after I watched it. I also really like to be active, sometimes, so I’ll go biking, or I’ll go for a half hour walk. So whatever that looks like for you, something that you enjoy, you should make time for it. Take breaks from educating
others to avoid burnout. This is something that I’m
actually currently working on. And, I am doing okay at it. I think that, this is really important, especially right now, I think
that there’s a lot of urgency in the way that we engage with people, at least that’s what I’m experiencing, as a person who identifies
as queer and trans. I feel an urgency to educate everyone when I see injustice happening. Or I make, as I experience
micro-aggressions, I experience the weight of
someone misgendering me, someone excluding people
from conversations. But, as I take on more and more of this educational burden, the more tired I get and
the more irritable I get, which is not good for everyone in my life. So I think that it’s
important to take a step back, breathe, and say, you know what, I can take a break because I know that there’s other people
out there doing this. And that, if I take a break,
I can come back and do this, and continue doing it,
rather than burning out and having to take
several months or a year, from educating people and
doing more harm than good. Take time to thank yourself and body. I don’t think I’ve done
this in a really long time. But I think it’s extremely important, and it can be something you do every day, it can be something you do every week, it can be something you do every month, depending on what you
feel most comfortable, and obviously I’m not saying, you need to all go do these things. These are just things I’m thinking about, and things you can take
away from this conversation, but I don’t think that we take enough time to thank our bodies for
all that they do for us. Like, I will probably later thank my body for doing this presentation for me, because without it I am obviously wouldn’t be able to do it. So, taking just 10
minutes out of your day, to sit in silence, or
whatever thanking your body looks like for you. Just, sitting with that. Celebrate when it’s needed. And this is really important
to also avoid burnout. I know that a friend of mine and myself who put on an event, and
it was very stressful for about a week, planning the event, and then we get to the
event and it happens, and it was really great, and
there was a lot of energy, but we were really, really, tired. But we made sure that we made plans to celebrate the fact
that we put on the event, and we did it two weeks later, but we still took the time to celebrate it because we knew that it
was important to do that. And we had a good time, so. Surround yourself with
queer or chosen family, if that’s language you prefer. It could also just be support group, or a support network in your life. I know that I have a very
large chosen and queer family. A lot of people I work with
I would consider within that, and it makes doing work like this, and educating others, and also being able to rant to people a lot easier about the frustrations that I have. But yeah, having a really
good support network can help make, continue doing this work and continuing being a
sustainable functional human, a lot easier. Then I have another article
from Everyday Feminism, I really like this website. So if you haven’t heard of it, you should definitely check it out. But, ways to take care of yourself today. Acknowledge that things are hard, and also on this list,
I’ve probably struggled with every single one of them. And you might relate
to some and not others, that’s really okay. But, acknowledging that things are hard, whether that’s out loud to yourself, or acknowledging it to other people, really validates your experience. Whether or not the people
you’re telling it to are necessarily agreeing
or being good about hearing what you’re saying. It’s really important to validate
what you’re experiencing. Ask for help. I struggle with this a lot. I like to think that I can
do everything on my own. But, I do work very hard to ask for help, and I know that I’ve improved a lot over the last several
years in asking for help, and asking for help can be as simple as having a brief conversation
with someone else, asking like hey, I’m gonna
be doing this presentation, and I want your opinion on this thing, because that person has
an entirely different experience than you. So this is a great way to work on building intentional community within your life. So being able to be more inclusive with whatever you’re doing. Accept vulnerability. Which, sounds scary, right? I really like vulnerability, which I don’t think a
lot of people would say. I just love vulnerability. But, I wanted to show,
I wish I could’ve shown the entire video by Brene
Brown, on vulnerability, and I’m sure everyone in
this room has seen it. I know I’ve seen it like,
probably a dozen times. But, and I have a quote from it, because it’s about 20 minutes long, so I’d take up the whole presentation just with the one video. But vulnerability is
the core of shame, fear, and struggle for worthiness, but it’s also the birthplace
of joy, creativity, belonging and love. Which I really like that
phrasing as a way of, thinking about all of the positives that you can get from
accepting vulnerability, while still validating that
sometimes vulnerability can be scary. Cultivate a routine that
includes both rest and play. And, that just ties
into kind of self care. Being able to have a routine,
whether it’s daily or weekly, that includes time that
you are able to take care of your body and take care of yourself, and also do things that you really enjoy, is really important, and a great way to take care of yourself. And finally, do what is true to you. And this is, really great in terms of, especially when you
think about doing work, within either sustainability
or social justice movements, because when you act in ways
that reject expectations put on by society, and align
it with your own values and beliefs of what you think is true, you can make the world more whole because your experience
is completely different than my experience, even if we have a lot of things in common or similarities in how we identify, or
how we navigate the world. But yeah. That’s pretty much all I have. So what I’ll do now,
some room for questions! Or, a conversation if folks wanna have it. – [Samia] Can I just
remind everyone we’re on facebook live, so if you
are asking a question, it will be projected on the
facebook live recording. – Yeah, but we do have the note cards if you wanna ask a question
and you don’t wanna be heard, it would be fully anonymous. – [Guy] Okay, I’ll go. I’ll speak. I just wanted to echo what
you said about being cautious when we’re taking action
towards sustainability, that we don’t ignore our own privilege. Yesterday in class I was
having a conversation with, spokesperson for the (mumbles) club, and they were talking about
the trash burning plant in Minneapolis, and how they
opposed moving it to Becker. But they didn’t really seem to oppose leaving it in Minneapolis. – Yeah. So, just to repeat that
so other folks can hear, you were in a class you said, and folks were talking about moving the, what is it, there’s an abbreviation, but what? Yeah, the HERC, which if folks don’t know, that’s a trash burning
plant in Minneapolis. Thinking of moving it,
you said, to Becker. Okay. But they weren’t necessarily
opposed to leaving it in north Minneapolis. Yeah. So being more, you were saying, reiterating that point of
acknowledging privilege and whatnot, yeah, thank you. Yeah. – [Other Person] Who
wants to hear more about, what’s the intersectionality
between queerness and sustainability, and like, as opposed to perceptions out there that they’re two separate movements. Like what brings them together? I’m just studying that a lot. – Okay. So, asking the question, what are the intersections
between queerness, like as an identity? And sustainability? Okay. I guess from my own standpoint, and if other folks have
thoughts on this as well, I think sustainability as
itself is a little bit queer. Thinking about, moving away from how we’ve done things for a really long time in society and how we navigate development. So, trying to shift people’s perceptions of one, the environment, and also two, how we’re navigating the
economy and how we treat people in society, I think that
sustainability itself is a queer practice. So I think that’s what
I would say in terms of how are they similar and intersecting. Yes. – [Other Person] I think
you also did a lovely job of going from the concept
of global sustainability down to micro-sustainability, and how it’s all severely connected. Because the people who are
engaged in the development of sustainable practices and community and all this kind of stuff,
can’t do their work without micro-sustainability, that supports them in that work. So I like my (mumbles) in a way, like from a nanotechnology perspective there’s bottom up and top down. and (mumbles), giant to small. – Yeah, well thank you. Yep! – [Person] Can you repeat that
quote about vulnerability? – Yes, absolutely. I can just go back. Vulnerability is the core of shame, fear, and struggle for worthiness. It’s also the birthplace
of joy, creativity, belonging, and love. And that’s not the direct quote. If you haven’t seen that TED talk, it’s an excellent TED
talk and Brene Brown’s a really good storyteller, so I would highly recommend it. Um… I have a question from folks online, of what’s your elevator speech version of your presentation? So, if I had to sum it
up, in an elevator speech, I think a great way to sum it up would be the description. I hope that I kept true to my description of the presentation online was that I talked about a brief
summary of sustainability, so thinking about (sighs), meeting the needs of the future without compromising the
needs of future generations, going into ways in
which we can queer that, so bringing in more
intersectional inclusive ways of thinking about
sustainability as well as, who you’re bringing in the conversations, and also talking about
ways in which you can be more inclusive in your
individual practices. So conversations with folks,
acknowledging privilege, whatnot, and then finally, with queer sustainability,
thinking about how can we take care of our bodies, and our selves and our minds in terms of being queer and trans
people either engaged in sustainability work or just
in political work in general. So we have another comment. My thoughts on that
question, I’m assuming, the question about
intersections between queerness and sustainability
endgoals between movements, build intersectionality. For instance, destroying
corrupt institutions like capitalism. Yeah. I would also agree. Yep! – [Other Person] I really liked
that you brought it back to taking care of ourselves and
taking care of our bodies, because I think as a
queer identified person, or queer identified people
working in sustainability, we are queering sustainability in a way, just by being part of it. By taking the actions we need
to remain in those roles, to remain active, that’s
a really important part. And I think that (mumbles). – Well thank you, yeah. So the comment was, complimenting me on the ways in which I presented. But, more along the lines of, how I really did taking care of yourself, in working within sustainability
as queer and trans people. Steff, did you have a point? – [Steff] Yeah, I’m just
wondering if you’d be willing to share, anyone else in the room, about how we bring all
that we’ve shared here to the idea of how (mumbles), and then some of that work, but anything specific to
highlight, in this moment, different ways in which
shifting (mumbles). – I’m gonna take a
moment to think about it. But if other folks have
immediate thoughts, feel free to share. Yeah! – [Other Person] So the
institute on the environment is actually taking action
to educate its members and its leadership on issues around diverse perspectives,
including LBGTQ identities. I think that, we can all do
is basically support them in that, show up every
time they do anything that is a step forward in that regard. Because in general, I feel like, the sustainability community if you will, is a little bit behind, cos they’re working so hard
on these big picture things. We only have so many
matches to burn, right? You get 20 matches a day, and that’s it, and if I’m burning all these
matches on X, Y, and Z, then maybe I just don’t
even have enough matches to even realize that A,
B and C are important. And so building competency
is gonna be a way to get things on people’s
business as usual radar, and then it takes fewer
matches to implement. So that would be my immediate thought. – Yeah. So, to repeat the question
and then that comment. The question was, how
can we bring these ideas that we’re talking about,
to campus, in particular. And, an answer was, showing up. Especially with on-campus, we’re the institute of the environment, and they do a lot of, they
engage with the sustainability studies department whatnot,
so showing up to things that they’re putting on, so that these ideas are on their radar and important to them. If that sums up, I think that sums up. – [Womnan] It kind of sums it up but it’s also on their radar at all. So, I’ve actually met with the leadership and talked to them a little bit about, what would it look like to bring institute on the environment members, to a table where we talked
about diverse perspectives, queer identities, and so
that they can become more inclusive than they currently are. – Right, okay. So having more conversations, having more people involved. Yeah. – [Other Person] It’s on their radar, I know they’re working on
making it business as usual, so that’s the leap they’re
working on right now. – Awesome. Well, that’s good to
hear, I didn’t know that. I think we can also be
more intentional about when we’re not within
sustainability movements or that’s not our… Ideologies that we engage
with, on a regular basis, you can be more intentional
about the small things you do. And, conversations we’re having, so educating yourself, and
I know that I have worked on getting compost bins with (mumbles), for a really long time. So just being more intentional about making those small efforts,
as well as showing up to those larger systemic things, I think would be another great way to bring things up to campus. – [Lady] One thing I’m thinking about, that I noticed in the
slide that has the blocks. I was looking, I don’t know if there was, things around gender equity, seeing some social identity basings, but I didn’t see anti-racist work in that. And that’s not a critique of the slide, but just thinking about, that in sort of a queer
or queering context too, and thinking about an institution that was built on stolen land. And environmentally, thinking about that, those consequences, in conversation, here. What does that conversation look like, moving forward in that
education and that knowledge, and sustainability
conversations as well as queer. That’s a statement, sorry. – No, that’s totally fine. It was a great statement. I definitely think that, yeah, and that’s why when talking
about queering sustainability, I think the biggest critique
that I have currently is that it’s not, not
everyone’s being included in the conversation, and
that it can be a little bit, elitist at times. Cos it’s hard to engage
in academics for folks in a lot of ways, so
bringing that language down to where folks are at, and also being intentional about yeah, queer-including conversations, what you’re thinking about, yeah. Any other thoughts, questions? We can end early as well. (laughing) (clapping) – [Guy] It might be a good
idea to have some sort of event that’s, where you could
do a creative spoken word on some of the ideas with the quotes, and about queering sustainability. – Yeah, absolutely. Do you have, putting that on, you said an event, like
a spoken word event? – [Guy] Yeah, or some sort
of, spoken word open mic or something, some sort of expression. – Yeah, absolutely. Well thank you, everyone. – [Samia] You’ll be around for questions? – Yeah, I will be around
if you wanna ask a question but you didn’t feel comfortable. Or you wanna ask me where
I got some of the stuff on the powerpoint as well.

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