Daniele Ganser: History, Propaganda and Peace Research [Deutsch Untertite/German Subtitles]


Hello to everybody in the class. Hi guys.
Yeah, I saw people waving. I like this technology, I mean, I’ve never done this Skype thing with
Mexico, never, it’s my first time. It’s really amazing. So you already did a
Skype this morning, I see you sent me a link. Yeah, with Moscow, this was an interview with
Russia Today. Oh, OK. And they wanted to talk about the war in Ukraine.
And you know the good thing for me is I don’t have to travel to Moscow or to Mexico and
we can just talk to each other, which is good. That’s the idea of peace research, you know,
talk to each other and not bomb each other, it’s much cleverer. And to share and disseminate this information. Yes, yes, and to debate and to share ideas…I
think life is interesting, it’s a good time to be alive. Well, speaking of the peace research, so we’ve
read part of NATO’s Secret Armies and we know you’ve published other material on oil and
I didn’t know until recently that you founded the Swiss Institute for Peace and Energy Research
(SIPER), can you very quickly tell us about your institute?
Ok, yes, I founded this institute here in Switzerland in 2011 so its four years ago
and because I’m convinced that there is a link between energy on the one hand and oil,
gas, nuclear energy, photovoltaic, wind and on the other hand the war in Iraq for instance,
the war in Afghanistan and the war in Libya, so there is a link between peace and energy.
I’m very much convinced that this is an important area for research in the 21st century. I guess let’s go back to NATO’s Secret Armies
and even before that because I’m curious as an educator, one of the reasons I do this
is to get the students thinking and I believe we need new generations of people like yourself
and so what was it that made you start thinking critically and begin questioning conventional
narratives, you know, when you were a young student? I’m now 42 years old so it’s quite some time
ago, when I was young, but I was 25, I think I was 25 years old when I had to write a thesis
and I was studying history at Basel University and I had to write a paper, like a 100 page
long paper, a really long paper and I had half a year time to research it. It was the
final thesis on the Cuban Missile Crisis. And then I went to the library and took all
the books I could find on the topic and then I found out that some authors said that the
Cuban Missile Crisis is the fault of the Soviet Union because the Soviet Union sent ships
to Cuba with missiles, atomic missiles, I mean, how crazy can you be and they sent these
atomic weapons in the year 1962. And then I read these books and I though �oh yeah,
that’s really crazy, the Soviets, they’re mad people� and it’s incredible. And then
I read another book which said, no, the Cuban Missile Crisis, that’s actually the Americans
who are stupid because they tried to overthrow the government of Fidel Castro. And they made
an invasion, the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961. And you know, only this invasion which later
triggered the Soviets to send missiles to protect Fidel Castro. So really, it started
not far away from Mexico, where my interest into international politics was really awakened
and then I thought well, um, wait a moment, who’s right? You have two different books.
And that’s, you know, ten different books or websites today, and I think that’s really
the moment where everybody, every student can wake up when he has a research topic and
then he has two or three or four different opinions on the same topic. And for me it
was the Cuban Missile Crisis, but it can be oil, it can be 9/11, it can be paramilitaries,
it can be the war in Ukraine, it can be NATO, it can be CIA torture, it can be many things
OK, but I advise all students in your class that they pick a topic and when they look
at it that they realize many books deal with the topic but these books come to completely
different conclusions and that means for every student that he has to make up his mind and
that’s the interesting thing about being a scientist.
And it’s funny because we’re learning this semester in one of my classes about World
War 2 history and the book that we were assigned is from an American publishing company and
in the book it clearly, you know, I wanted to talk about false flag operations in a second,
but in the book it says, and they know that the Japanese dressed up as Chinese and attacked
themselves on the railroads. They did that. The Manchuria incident. You
know it’s such a lousy trick. It really is a very lousy trick, but it works, I mean,
you hit somebody and then you say somebody else started it and then it all starts. It’s
actually something that students know on a much smaller level of violence. They know
that games are being played in groups, in cities, in schools, in universities even,
you know these games are being played but if you look at the games that are being played
internationally with false flag terrorism it really is shocking that these things still
go on but if you study it then you can understand it and you always have to keep in mind that
it’s always maybe 5 or 10% of the global population who have the chance to study these things
and everybody else is unemployed or working or they just don’t have access to this knowledge. And the scary thing was in our book, it clearly
described what the Japanese did, how Hitler did this, but it never talked about the U.S.,
you know, the U.S. was great and they totally admitted the US false flag attacks like Pearl
Harbor in a sense or the Lusitania. But you know, that’s something everybody has
to wake up to. We have 200 states, all over the world. And not all 200 states have the
same power, I mean take Costa Rica and take the U.S., they don’t have the same power,
everybody can see it. And then, obviously you have Russia or you have Brazil or China
you have U.S. or big countries like Germany and then you ask yourself who is the most
powerful country on this planet today? And it clearly is the United States. So as a historian
I always explain to my students or in interviews or in lectures I always say the U.S. is an
empire. The only question is, is it a benevolent empire, a good empire that tries to help everybody
or is it an empire that is just following its own interests? And if you look at how
you actually define an empire you have to look at how big is its economy, take the Gross
Domestic Product (GDP) and obviously the GDP of the U.S. is the biggest so you already
have an indication that this is a powerful country. Secondly, you look, what is the most
important currency in the world and it’s not the Euro and it’s not the Yen either it’s
the dollar. Ok, so they also have the most important currency in the world. And then
third you ask yourself who has the biggest amount of aircraft carriers, everybody knows
aircraft carriers, they’re huge ships where you can land a fighter jet on and it’s the
United States. They have 10 aircraft carriers and the British have a few and the Russians
have only one and the Chinese have only one, they’re very expensive. And then the fourth
question you ask yourself is who actually has the most military bases around the world?
And you are all familiar with Guantanamo, that’s an American military base in Cuba.
But that’s not the only one, the have a military base in Diego Garcia which is in the Indian
Ocean, they have Bagram air force base in Afghanistan, they have Rammstein which is
in Germany, they have military bases in Italy, they have obviously military bases in Japan
and I don’t know whether they have military bases in Mexico. As far as I know, no, but I do know they have
a giant complex building in Mexico City where they spy on us from Mexico City.
Yeah, I mean that’s where you have to listen to Eduard Snowden who basically explained
how that works with the spying and I think he’s very brave and courageous to come forward.
He was only 29 years old so never think that you can only make a difference when you’re
60. Actually, when you’re 60 it’s too late. But what I wanted to say is you have to understand
that the U.S. is an empire and this force of the empire stretches on even into books
because you started with this question why do we only learn about false flag operations
from the Germans or the Japanese and not about false flag operations of the U.S. because
in the books printed in the United States or written by a professor in the United States
it will say the United States is sometimes engaging in wars, yes, but only to help the
people, they only do this for human rights. And this is something which you can either
believe or you can’t believe. I don’t believe it. But, you know, I don’t know how you guys
in Mexico think about it. I mean there are many people in the U.S. who don’t believe
it. I met Noam Chomsky once in Boston, he’s a professor there and he said you know it’s
all nonsense. It’s not true, but an empire has to say �I’m here to help.� They can
never say �I’ll try to get more power� or �I’ll try to get more money,� people
wouldn’t like that. No, I find many Mexicans, we totally agree
with your worldview as opposed to Americans because I mean, you know what’s going on in
Mexico, we’re living through this insecurity and the state-sponsored terror, you know they
killed 40 students last year. Yeah I heard that, totally shocking, absolutely
shocking. And I think that’s why people in Mexico understand that violence is a problem
and here in Switzerland, people sometimes think �oh you know, everything is fine,
I have my job, my kids can go to school� and I tell them, according to a new study,
1 million people have died since 2003. That’s a study of international physicians against
or for the prevention of nuclear war, so these are doctors, medics, those are the guys you
go to when your knee is broken or when you can’t breathe well, I trust these guys, they
are doctors. And they say 1 million people died in Iraq since 2003 and obviously that’s
a war which the American empire started. And I don’t understand why you can’t read that
in the newspapers, you know, you just can’t because many people write newspapers, they
don’t want to lose their jobs and so they only write nice things about news. And that was my next point before asking about
NATO’s Secret Armies was why don’t many people follow, for example, your example, do you
know personally or of any people who dared to pursue the truth into such deep waters,
you said you were afraid of losing your job, I’m not sure, I met once the French geopolitics
instructor, I can’t pronounce his name very well, Aymeric Chauprade, who is now a member
of the National party in France. And I know he published a book on geopolitics discussing
9/11 and he was blacklisted from French universities and now he’s doing OK, but do you know are
many people speaking out or are they afraid to lose their jobs?
No, not many people speak out, many people tell me things when we’re offline, OK, when
we’re not in front of a camera, when we’re not at a podium, in a university room, when
we’re not, like at 12 o’clock at night when everybody has had 3 glasses of wine. That’s
when people say �you know I don’t think we’ve been told the truth about the Iraq War.
These are all lies, Bush and Cheney, they’re actually war criminals. I’m quite disgusted
about CIA torture, I don’t like the National Security Agency spying on my mail.� That’s
when they say it, but during the day they say you know, US democracy is trying to stabilize
European security by sending troops to Germany and reinforce NATO security. So you basically
have two different sorts of languages, one sort of language is the language which says,
you know the empire is good, we have no problem with the empire and the other form of language
is when you’re just in your small group and you then really share what you really think.
And I think that’s wrong, I think, you know, as researchers we should always put forward
our own analysis. If we make an analysis, I mean, I made an analysis about 9/11 and
I came to the conclusion that this third building, World Trade Center 7, that it collapsed but
it was not hit by a plane and still today I’m totally convinced that this building was
not hit by a plane but it collapsed. So I was then working at the ETH, the Center for
Security Studies in Zurich, that’s another city here in Switzerland, and you know I said
we must research this. And that was a huge problem, everybody was scared. Some people
said �no we shouldn’t research this� and I said �why not�? And they said because
Switzerland will get into trouble. And I said no, I don’t think so. Then I said well you
will get into trouble. People are very scared, all over the globe and so if I have one message
for everybody in the room, don’t be scared, don’t be scared. Ah well, someone’s asking how have you succeeded,
have you gotten into trouble, I mean, I guess not because you’re still going strong. Yeah, I got into trouble. The problem is,
you know I got my PhD in 2001, so before I got my PhD I didn’t say a word, never did
an interview, never had a public lecture, I just did my studies, I was reading my texts,
I was just building my knowledge, that’s really what I advise everybody in the room, build
up your knowledge, I mean, you’re really lucky, you have a professor who opens up your mind
because you know some people, they will just give you one sort of text and then you will
basically be brainwashed. But you should read as many different books from as many different
perspectives as possible. I’m not saying that you should believe me, what I’m saying is
if you read my book, very nice, read another one on NATO if you can, have a debate with
people who think the U.S. is here to help or have a debate with people who think the
U.S. empire is evil or you know, just go into the debate, that is science, dig deep. And
then, to the question of the student, you will come at one point to the moment where
you face your fear, OK, everybody has fear. I have fear, you have fear, everybody has
fear. And the fear comes in two forms. One form is that I will be completely bankrupt,
OK, I will have no job and no money and I will starve to death. That’s a real fear,
every human being has this fear. And when I had this debate at ETH, they told me that
I shouldn’t research 9/11 and World Trade Center 7 and I said yes this is important,
we should research this, there are many people who got killed in Iraq, we’ve got the surveillance
state, there’s torture and all based on this and here in Switzerland we are very fortunate.
We’re not being bombed, we have nobody killed, so if we don’t do this peace research, I mean,
who should do it? I mean not people in Afghanistan, right? They can barely survive. So I think
the people who are privileged, you are privileged, I am privileged, we should try to actually
be courageous in our research and then there’s the trick. Once you face your fear you find
out it’s economics, scarce, you know you think you will not have any money, that’s a very,
very big fear. The second fear that comes around the corner and I think it will be the
same is that everybody will laugh. They will say you are a conspiracy theorist or your
nuts or your stupid or just a stupid girl or that you are a boy that has no clue or
different names for saying you have no clue, you’re stupid. And these two fears combined
stop many, many people. And I felt these fears because in the Swiss newspaper, there was
one journalist attacking me and saying I’m a conspiracy theorist and I’m reading the
newspaper and I’m like what, why is he saying that? I’m a historian, I mean why is he attacking
me? And then you get angry and you think oh but that’s not fair, but you can’t reply because
he prints the newspaper and you’re just there to read it. And at that moment you get very
sad. First you get angry, then you get sad. And what you then need is your friends. You
just meet your wife or your mother or your father or your brother or your best two friends.
And then you find out that only about ten people matter. Or maybe it’s only five or
maybe it’s only one person. You know, it depends, every person needs somebody else. Then you
go to that person and say see, I’m researching whatever it is and I have come to these conclusions,
then you present your conclusions and you ask your friend, he doesn’t have to be a historian
or a political scientist OK, it can be your mother who has never read a book about these
topics at all. But you say, do you think it’s wrong what I’m doing? Do you think I’m stupid?
Do you think I should stop? I personally did that with my wife. I told her, I said, OK,
we have a little bit of trouble now because I’m being attacked. And they could fire me
from university. And then she said, well, the question in the room is are you sure that
World Trade Center 7 exists, that it went down on 9/11? And I said heck yeah I’m sure.
OK, I wouldn’t risk my job for something I haven’t researched. And then she said, well,
if you’re sure, then you should not, you should not break. You should not say oh, OK, it’s
not important what happened on 9/11. Or NATO’s secret armies didn’t exist. Or oh no, CIA
terrorism no problem. You shouldn’t change, what I’m saying is you should stay with your
research. Never leave your research. I mean, you’ve got to be very, very careful with your
research. Don’t get me wrong, right? If there is no building World Trade Center 7 and you’re
giving interviews about it then your research is very sad. You have to be very solid with
your research, but once you’ve found data, check it again, are you sure that World Trade
Center 7 went down, then stay with it. And so my wife said don’t give up and I said well,
OK, but maybe I will stay a doctor, I will not become a professor. And then she said,
yeah, so what? And then I said, well I thought you think I’m a much cooler guy if I’m a professor
instead of a doctor. And then she said no, not at all, you’re mistaken, I think you’re
a cool guy if you stay true, if you don’t lie, that’s what I like. At that moment I
said OK, but you know there’s a problem, we’re paying 2000 Swiss francs for our rent here
so that’s $2000 a month for the rent. And if I don’t have my job anymore, we can’t pay
the rent and we have to move out. And then she said I’m not scared of it. Then we move
out, we’ll find something cheaper. And then I said you’re serious? And she said yes. After
that moment, and that’s really interesting, after that moment I felt completely relaxed.
I did not have this oh it’s very dangerous feeling anymore, I had this feeling of OK,
my wife and I asked a good friend of mine as well, a good friend said hey these are
very important topics, I mean, continue your research on NATO’s secret armies, don’t give
up. And then suddenly you’ll find that your family and your friends are the most important
and when they help you, you can do incredible things. Maybe you don’t get rich, but they
will help you to overcome your fear, you can’t do it alone. You can try.
I totally agree and you’ve found a good wife to support you like that, it’s amazing. Yeah, very lucky. And as well, you’ve mentioned 9/11, I’ve shown
the clip about World Trade Center 7 and we’ve even spoken to one of the Architects and Engineers
for 9/11 Truth, so… Oh your students know World Trade Center 7,
they all know it? Yeah and well in Mexico, you show this 15-minute clip to Mexican students
and 99 or 100% of people in Mexico, it’s obvious, but to American students, you know we have
a few American students or people in America, you’re fighting against the tide. That’s the thing with the U.S., the U.S. is
very close to you. I mean, I was in New York, I love the city, I was in Seattle, I love
the city, I was in Florida you know, I went to all these…I was watching alligators,
I was at Miami Beach, I mean I want to take these things apart. America as a country is
a wonderful country, OK, I really like LA and um I have friends in the U.S. And I know
American scientists who do great work and the American population, there are 300 million,
I think 280 million are just very good decent people. But they have, I’m sorry to say, no
clue about what their country has done in the last 70 years, they have no clue! I tell
them do you know that you armed both Iraq and Iran during the war from 1980 to 1988?
Then they go like oh no, I didn’t know that, that’s probably to help. And I say what? To
help, if you arm both sides, they were killing each other. And then I say do you actually
know that the CIA set up the mujahedeen in Afghanistan and therefore actually created
Al-Qaeda? And they go, oh no, I don’t think that’s true, I mean I’ve never seen it on
Fox News or CNN. And then I go they’re completely brainwashed, completely brainwashed, so I
understand that when they are confronted with World Trade Center 7 which is the most difficult,
OK, that’s the most difficult. Iran-Iraq or Iran-Contra Affair or Operation Gladio or
even Operation Northwoods, that’s easier. But if you start with World Trade Center 7
that’s probably a shock to everybody in the U.S. But I think there’s people in the U.S.
who are also waking up because they are very moral, they don’t want to kill people just
for profit, they don’t want that. And it’s a bit of cognitive dissonance I suppose.
And talking about NATO, you know we don’t have to go over the basic premise you’ve spoken
about it ad nausea on YouTube, anyone can see what Operation Gladio was, but, I guess
you know, when I talk about this at the university in European politics and the students really
loved your reading. I flip between conventional readings and unconventional and they loved
your book and some of them said they were going to go out and get it and read the whole
thing and my question is after knowing about Gladio, you said the network was in sixteen
NATO countries, they did terrorist attacks, correct me if I’m wrong, some of the students
that aren’t in my class that are here now, they were asking what did they do, they went
into supermarkets right you detailed where they shot shoppers, right, they blew up, what
is it that they destroyed a school bus with school children, things like this, terrorist
attacks. I mean, it is you know, when I started, I
told you I started with the Cuban Missile Crisis because I had to work my way through
the data there and then there was Noam Chomsky in Boston, I said you know did we have operations
like that in Europe? Did we have, you know, a Bay of Pigs invasion or like the overthrow
of the Arbenz government in Guatemala, do we have something like that in Europe? Because
many Europeans I’m sorry to say usually said, oh yeah I know the CIA overthrew Allende in
1973 in Chile but you know that’s just that’s just Latin America and it’s clear America,
the U.S., they do what they want. OK, they invade every country there and they armed
the Contras, who cares? Basically it was put like that and I say how can you say that?
These are whole wonderful people, I traveled there, I mean how can you say that? And it’s
the same that they think today with Afghanistan, they ah, you know, they’re just the people
in Afghanistan. I want to research something in Europe because that’s where it gets different.
That’s where people say OK, no terrorism please in Europe, we don’t’ want that. And then I
said OK I’ll research the NATO secret armies and as you said the fact is NATO has had secret
armies, the code word is Operation Gladio, they existed in all NATO countries during
the Cold War and they also existed in the neutral countries so we had secret armies
in Switzerland, P26, and in Sweden, Sweden is not a NATO country. And in Austria, Austria
is not a NATO country and in Finland, Finland is not a NATO country. So what you actually
have is something very, very sensitive. NATO had secret armies and you can’t actually have
a secret army because actually parliament or professors or journalists or the public
should be informed OK, because this is tax money. And if the tax money goes into the
secret service and the secret service sets up a secret army then there’s something wrong
with the state. And what I can confirm is that CIA and MI6 so the American and the British
secret service were arming and training these secret armies with special operations forces,
the Green Berets or the SAS special air service from Great Britain. These are the guys you
know from Rambo movies, I’m not sure if you know Rambo, that’s what we watched when we
were young, maybe your students don’t know Rambo anymore, that’s the 80s. Well Rambo 4 came out not too long ago. Oh OK so they still know that, but what I’m
saying is these are the special forces, they’re the most lethal military soldiers and these
guys trained secret armies in Europe. And now what we have, this is a fact, this, you
know, no question about it. On the other hand, we have these terrorist attacks and in my
book, very, very carefully I tried to show that the secret armies were linked to these
terrorist attacks but I can’t prove it in every corner. I can say we have a report from
the Italian senate who says these terrorist attacks that we had in Italy, Bologna, Piazza
Fontana…many different terrorist attacks, these were carried out by right-wing terrorists
and these right-wing terrorists were protected by the CIA and NATO and members in the American
establishment. And I have to say, maybe you’re not aware of it but US terrorism in Europe
still today is totally taboo. Most people say it doesn’t exist. And then I say let’s
approach it, let’s approach it very carefully. Let’s see, do we have secret armies? The answer
is yes. And I’m saying do we have terrorism? The answer is yes. That’s undisputed. And
the link, OK, and the link between the secret armies and the terrorism that’s all still
a hot debate, but you will find other researchers in Europe who say there are no links and NATO
will say no, no links, OK, we had secret armies but no links to terrorism. These guys who
did terrorism, they’re just a crazy runaway agent they’re not under our control, OK? And
so the question of US terrorism in Europe is very delicate. Still today. Well that was my next question, well first,
telling us, now learning about all of this and the bad things that NATO did, we’re taught
that NATO are the good guys, you know the GI Joes of the world and um, they’re the good
guys, but after learning this, you know, I’m like for me they’re evil, I can’t trust them
because they’ve murdered people and I’ve lost complete faith in NATO. But yet at schools
we’re taught that NATO is like you know fantastic. Forget it, I mean look at what, always trust
yourself, don’t trust anybody else. Trust yourself and look what NATO has done for instance
in 2011 in Libya, OK? They bombed the country. To us in Switzerland, and maybe also to you
in Mexico they said we have to do that because there’s a very, very evil man, his name is
Qaddafi and we have to kill him or just you know regime change. We have to change and
everything will be better and now if you look at Libya, what is happening there? What’s
happening there? The land is in total chaos, there are different groups, armed groups who
kill each other. I have a personal friend who went to Libya for the Red Cross, I mean
the Red Cross is based here in Geneva and they send people to different places of the
world to watch that you know that there are no atrocities and in Libya obviously they
have the problem that some of these paramilitaries were raping women or were shooting children
or were shooting elderly people. So the Red Cross have their people going there to monitor
the rule of law, OK, there’s some sort of law even during war because during war you’re
not allowed to rape children for instance. It’s forbidden, even during war, you know
it’s forbidden to shoot teenage girls, it’s forbidden during war. It’s not that in war
everything is allowed OK. So this friend of mine he went to Libya and he was shot, OK,
he’s dead now. I mean, we were together at school and I thought how can NATO bomb the
country and then it’s a total mess and in the newspaper I read this was for freedom
and democracy. I mean, if you believe it then it’s your problem, you know, and then take
another country, take Afghanistan for instance. NATO started to bomb Afghanistan right after
9/11 in October 2001, they have now bombed the country for 14 years, OK, that’s longer
that World War 2, 14 years they’re bombing the country. And we have more than 200,000
people killed in Afghanistan. I mean I don’t think NATO is a force for peace, I always
turn it around and then think what would we think if Afghanistan had bombed Switzerland
for 14 years and we had 200,000 people dead in Switzerland and somebody in Afghanistan
writes in the newspaper article that’s just you know to promote peace. I mean, I don’t
believe it, I mean I’ve become a critic of NATO. Yes, I think NATO has carried out too
many things which are not right and I think a new generation will wake up and will be
much more critical of NATO. Any students who have a question come on up
and real quick while he’s coming up, also you touched on, I asked students the question
you know we know about NATO, wouldn’t it be possible, and we see these terror attacks
in Paris recently in Paris and in Europe and for me it’s just like you said it’s logical
we know their networks existed, they did exactly these things, you know the past 50 years,
I mean wouldn’t it be likely that what we’re seeing now is…not all not every event right,
but that a lot of them are probably these secret forces of our own governments. I mean that is this nightmarish question which
is out there because when I, after I published NATO’s Secret Armies and false flag terrorism,
after I published that book many people said well that’s very interesting, OK, but that
but the book goes until 1991, that’s when the Cold War ends and you know what’s going
on today, what’s happening to me, what’s happening to my children? And I’ve always said well,
you know, we must look very, very carefully when we see a terrorist attack. We had terrorist
attacks in Madrid, we had terrorist attacks in London, we had now terrorist attacks in
Paris, we had a terrorist attack in New York, whenever you have a terrorist attack be very
careful, OK. Don’t take the newspaper on the first day and believe everything it says,
but you know, do your own homework, do your own research. If you think terrorism could
be used, I’m saying could, be used to shock everybody and make people scared or other
people which NATO wants to bomb, I’m putting it that way. In Paris, in January 2015 we
had this terrorist attack Charlie Hebdo. So, basically its two guys, you know, armed guys
who go into a newspaper room who shoot everybody and they drive away with a car and that’s
the short story, twelve people killed. I mean twelve people if you compare that to the 220,000
people killed in Afghanistan or the 1 million people killed in Iraq, twelve people is not
a lot, but remember this is Europe. So this is racism but its real racism, these twelve
are valued much more than the twelve killed in Pakistan by US drones, OK. So the Europeans
look at it very carefully and what I’ve seen is that the two killers who carried out the
attacks, when they drive away, they change their car, the car which they drive away,
and one of these guys leaves his identity card in the car, OK. Now you can say bad luck,
he just forgot his identity card, possible, maybe it was like that. But maybe that’s a
lie and somebody put the identity card there to make it look like these were militant Muslims
and then afterwards NATO can come and say we have to bomb Syria, we have to bomb Iraq,
these people are dangerous, if you don’t believe it you will have a terrorist attack where
you live. I mean you can actually shock people with terrorism, that’s for sure. And what
I’ve found out with my research on 9/11 is that it is very, very difficult, I mean 9/11
is the biggest terrorist attack in history so if you research anything in terrorism,
take 9/11. 3,000 people killed and that’s the biggest terrorist attack. When it’s so
difficult to even find the truth in the biggest attack then you can understand it is very
difficult to research terror. But let me add one thing. Some people have come to me and
said, OK, so you think that sometimes terrorism is manipulated and I say yes. And then they
say OK and you think 1 million people died in Iraq and I say yes. Then they say OK you
think the U.S. attacked Iraq without a mandate from the UN Security Council and I say yes,
certainly, that’s a fact. But then they say how can you sleep at night? How can you walk
in the street with a smile on your face? I mean isn’t the world a very sad place if your
research is true? And then I say hey wait, my research is not on human beings in general,
OK. Most human beings and I’m sure, most in your class and most people you know, they
don’t want to kill anybody, nobody, they want to fall in love. OK, that’s the point, they
want to have a nice party, they want to make some money they want to drink wine, they want
to go on a vacation. Make the check, OK, everybody out there who thinks what I really want to
do tomorrow is, you know, behead my neighbor, no! Most human beings don’t want that and
that’s why, if you research these extreme violent things like the Iraq War or 9/11 that’s
called extreme violence, OK. Keep in mind that only like one or two or maybe three percent
of the world population is involved in these things and if you take seven billion as teh
world population that’s 70 million people and you can say 70 million people is a lot,
but not 7 billion. It’s not your neighbor, it’s not your brother, it’s just a minority.
We are the majority, 95, 96, 97 percent of the global population don’t want that, don’t
want that. And we let the others get away with it. We
have a question here from our friend from Colombia. Sure. Hello Mr. Ganser. Hello, nice to meet you,
what’s your name? Camilo. Camilo, hi Camilo. Hello, yeah, first I would like to stress
a comment on how difficult it is to speak about all of these topics even with the academic
community because they’ve become almost taboo for these kind of topics because you do not
mention them because you’re not supposed to, right? Now that you’ve mentioned Cuba and
then you’ve seen the kind of interests in Cuba, I am also because I studied there for
a season, um and I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but in the last days or yesterday
Obama has removed the country from the list of countries promoting terrorism because Cuba
used to be inside the terrorist watchlist for the U.S. so my question is do you consider
Cuba to have ever been a real threat to the U.S. in the last decades or do you see it
as a rhetoric from the previous U.S. offices? Well, I don’t think that Cuba was a threat
to the U.S. I think the U.S. was a threat to Cuba, I mean look at the country, it’s
very, very small, it’s like you know, I’m always saying Switzerland is small and Cuba
is small and there’s no way that Cuba could have attacked and conquered the U.S., there’s
no way but if you look at it the other way around the U.S. obviously could’ve attacked
and conquered Cuba and when I looked at the document from Operation Northwoods, these
documents are now online available and they say that to convince the American public that
Fidel Castro and everybody in Cuba is evil the American military, the Pentagon suggested
to blow up an American warship in Guantanamo Bay and then say the Cubans did it or to explode
a few bombs in Miami or even in Washington and blame it again on Fidel Castro or blow
up an airplane, a drone with nobody in it and say you know, these were students, American
students flying to I don’t know, Latin America to help everybody there and then blame it
on Fidel Castro. So what I really think is the Pentagon is much more dangerous, much
more dangerous than Fidel Castro. I’m not saying that Fidel Castro has done everything
right in his life. I mean look at the Swiss, they haven’t done everything right. We have
had money from dictators in our banks, every country has its dark side which is not right.
What I think is important for peace research is really that we don’t take over the rhetoric
from the U.S. empire which always says Cuba is evil and we are right. I don’t think that
the facts support the argument. Thanks. I have two final questions, this one
is kind of a big topic but if you can just tell us really quickly, your book about oil
is published in German so I haven’t been able to purchase it and read it, but I’m also a
fan of the work of F. William Engdahl, I read his book, I’m sure you know him. He proposes
the other theory, I believe the abiotic theory of oil. And I’m in between, you know Dimitri
Mendeleev, the guy who created the periodic chart, table, he also believed in that and
what’s your thought, is oil a natural renewable source or maybe it’s natural but it doesn’t
renew very quickly or is it a fossil fuel? Yeah, let’s talk about oil. I mean oil is
a very, very important resource today. Keep in mind that we need 90, I repeat nine zero,
90 million barrels of oil every day so that the world can function as it is. The oil age
started in 1850 so that’s 160 years ago and then these 160 years the world population
went from 2 billion to 7 billion, that’s very interesting, OK. During the oil age the world
population went up. During the First World War we used every day just one million, one
million barrels every day and in 1945, that’s at the end of the Second World War we had
6 million barrels every day and today its 90 million barrels, that’s 45 super tankers,
that’s really a lot. And obviously the question is there enough oil for the 21st century?
OK, so is there enough oil for you students and for your children? And that’s one of the
big, big questions and some researchers say no, in different parts of the world oil production
goes down. In the United Kingdom here in Europe, oil production is falling, OK. The UK produced
3 million barrels in the year 2000 and they now only produce 1 million barrels. And to
my mind that’s the case because of peak oil they’ve reached a maximum of production as
production has fallen. On the same case, the case with Norway, Norwegian production has
peaked in the year 2000 and is now falling. The same is the case in Indonesia. Indonesia
has reached a peak, production is falling. Obviously other countries like Saudi Arabia
or Brazil can still produce, you know, more oil. But also in Mexico there’s a huge oil
field which is called Cantarel, I think is that the right way to pronounce it? It’s the
Cantarel oil field. Research it, you know, it is producing less today than they produced
ten years ago and so I don’t think that Bill Engdahl, who’s a very good researcher, OK,
I really respect him, he’s a courageous man, a smart man no doubt about that. I think he’s
based in Germany and I spoke to him over the phone about this question if oil is finite
or not and we disagreed. He thinks that oil is endless, you know, it’s something out of
the ground and these reservoirs fill each, fill themselves, that’s the so called abiotic
theory. And I disagree, I think oil is a finite resource with depleting oil reserves and we’re
fighting oil wars and we’re heating up the climate and so here you have an example of
two researchers who are both very independent, Engdahl and myself I consider myself very
independent, Bill Engdahl is very independent, we disagree. OK, and um is your work going to continue
to be published in German or how come there’s not so much in English, such as William Engdahl,
a lot of his books are translated into different languages, is that a personal decision or
you just haven’t had the time? Well the thing with the translation usually
is not my decision. I mean, if you look at the NATO book I wrote it in English originally
so I decided to make it available in English from the beginning, so I wrote my PhD in English
and the very first time it was published it was published in English and then only later
it was translated into Italian, into German, into French, into Spanish, into Russian, into
Turkish, into Greek, so ten languages, OK, but I didn’t do these translations, I have
no influence on them. It’s basically somebody asking me from Greece or so or Turkey saying
I read your book, I think it’s very interesting, I think it should be published here in Turkey,
I’m the publisher so and so and I say OK, contact my published in London and you know
you have to buy the rights and then you can publish it. And this other book on oil, I
wrote it in German, OK, so the original language there is German and so far no publisher in
Spanish or in English has said they want to translate it, but if somebody comes, it’s
usually a publisher, you know who has to ask and if they say they want to publish it I’m
usually OK with it, I’m not against the books being translated, but I don’t have the time
obviously to do it myself. OK, and final question, so I’m always telling
my students to be brave, to search for the truth, not to be afraid, not to be afraid
of speaking it and what final words of wisdom do you have for the next generation? The next generation is the future so that’s
for sure. And I hope that you will always, always follow your heart, OK. If you want
to be happy in your life and I think everybody in the room wants to be happy, you have to
use your heart and your mind together, that’s the trick. And if you do your research, your
mind finds out very interesting things, don’t lose faith, Ok, don’t, don’t start to say
oh people will attack me or I won’t get this job or I can’t do that so I shut up. I have
friends who say I shut up now and when I’m sixty, when I’m retired I’m gonna write a
really critical book, this doesn’t work! It doesn’t work. If you postpone your integrity
until you’re sixty your life is over and then it’s too late. And so my message really is
be very, very good researchers and be confident that many people across the globe are interested
in peace, OK. We are the majority, people who are interested in peace are the majority.
I’m saying we will always have conflicts. Everybody has conflict every day, with the
neighbor, with other people in the traffic, with their father, with their friend and then
we yell at each other and that’s OK, conflicts are fine, conflicts are very good, they help
us to grow, they help us you know to develop, conflicts are fine. But we should not solve
conflicts with violence. We should not shoot somebody because he has written a book we
don’t like. We shouldn’t behead somebody because he has another religion. We shouldn’t burn
somebody because we disagree with them and we shouldn’t rape somebody because they don’t
want to have sex with us. I mean it’s always, it’s always the same point, we should not
use violence and that’s really the core message, I know, this is not news, OK and I guess this
is what you thought before but I just wanted to tell you you’re right. OK, well thank you so much for taking the
time with us and here there are more students, you can’t see them all. Very good. And enjoy life, I mean life is
good, I mean you probably think these guys who research false flag terrorism they must
be totally depressed and they don’t trust any human being anymore, that’s not true!
Keep in mind these extreme violent cases are from the minority, OK. And this minority exists,
OK, let’s not get fooled that is just something which doesn’t exist, this minority exists,
but ask around among your friends and you will find most of them, they want to fall
in love, the guys want to buy a nice car, it’s all very normal things, they don’t want
to kill anybody, really not.

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